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So despite the fact that I've given up on Game of Thrones at episode three (for being both too rapey and sort of boring at the same time) I ordered the first book from the library ages ago and it arrived. Figured I'd start reading it even though I didn't expect to like it.

But I'm actually enjoying it more than I thought I would. I mean, I don't think it's really high literature and some of the writing is a bit iffy but it's really readable. You know when you're not sure if you're actually loving a book or just loving how enjoyable and easy it is to read? Yeah, that's how I'm sort of moving through it at the moment. It's not bogging me down with lists of names and centuries of history like a lot of high fantasy tends to do. (Which is, generally, why I avoid high fantasy. UNLESS YOU ARE LORD OF THE RINGS I WON'T READ YOUR LISTS OF NAMES BECAUSE I DON'T CARE. Tolkien has earned that right by stealing my heart, you have not. Oh, and the cliches. The fantasy tropes that we are all sick to death of. Again, I let Lord of the Rings get away with this shit because it's where everyone stole most of it from.)

So, yes, Game of Thrones is - so far, less than half way through - more enjoyable than the TV series and - HALLELUJAH - less filled with rape. This, however, might change. So don't be surprised if my next post looks like this:


Are Robb and Jon supposed to be fourteen in the show as well? Because HOLY SHIT, THOSE ACTORS AREN'T FOURTEEN. Them being so young changes everything, I think.

Anyway, so far Tyrion and Jon are my favourites. What can I say? I like snarky clever men and I like angsty broken boys. As yet I don’t really care about anyone else. Dany is boring but, as I said, I'm really happy that her storyline isn't about how she gets raped a lot. Sansa is so sadly naive I want to hug her, Joff is a dick, Cersei and Jaime haven’t been in it enough for me to form opinions, Catelyn was annoying but now she’s riding south and is badarse. Ned would be a non-entity for me were I not picturing Sean Bean. Sean Bean can make me care about anything.

Date: 2011-10-31 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyas-lair.livejournal.com
Yeah they made some people older so it would fit better or people would be less freaked out. I can't really explain all that, seeing both Sansa and Dany are supposed to be around 13, which explain that amount of fucked up.

Dany gets better around the dragons though.

Date: 2011-10-31 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
Okay, good, I thought I totally missed that they were supposed to be that young or the casting people completely failed!

Yeah, I figured from the things I've seen about the series she gets more interesting since she grows up and all that, at the moment she's just boring though.

Date: 2011-10-31 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyas-lair.livejournal.com
Nope, everyone got aged up a bit. I guess they didn't want to touch the 13 year old marrying a 30-something dude.

She gets some slack from me though. At the end of the day she is a 13 year old girl with responsibilities the size of a continent on her shoulder and being held up to a bar she's not sure she can reach.

(Ima throw up something on DL by the way. I am le bored.)

Date: 2011-10-31 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
Poor little thing, plus she's got a creepy-arse brother.

(Yes, throw at DL! Patchouli and Emilie have to have their lunch date as well! And I have to have Cathal go jump Mikhail. And I think that I should have my Russian daughter meet Emilie at some point and be all "I know you." (I just had to go look up her name and realised it's Klavdiya. And my Amber Heard character over in Strays is Claudia. APPARENTLY I have opinions on what Amber Heard's real name should be.))

Date: 2011-10-31 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyas-lair.livejournal.com
Despite Viserys creepy ass tendencies, and his abusive-ness towards his sister...sometimes I get him. No one wants to be the exiled son of a mad king, whose paranoid delusions aren't as much delusions as occasional reality and whose every waking moment is filled with 'Remember Rheagor? He was AWESOME and filled with ALL of the answers and he would have made the BEST king ever. Oh and he was the BEST bard ever'.

(I was planning on setting that up and ALL OF THE AWESOME :DDD (XD it's okay I have that with me characters too)

Date: 2011-10-31 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
SHUT UP, CHARLIE, YOU'RE GONNA WAKE THE DRAGON. (:P) IE: this is all Circe has so far taken from his character, behold. He's not even a real dragon though! FIRE CAN'T KILL A DRAGON, AND WE ALL KNOW HOW MALFOY-TWIN ENDS UP!

(YAY SCENES! :D I have to go out to a friend's movie screening but I'll be back later to reply to things. I also want to grab you and talk about your Fassbender character that you held for DL because I had IDEAS for what he'd be great for in a plot if you didn't already :D)

Date: 2011-10-31 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyas-lair.livejournal.com
LOL Poor Malfoy-Twin. And yeah he has a few issues :|

(Sounds fair, it is up for whenevers and I shall be here :D. And no no plans yet so I will fit him into whatever plot :DDD)

Date: 2011-10-31 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artemisofluna.livejournal.com

Once she shares her idea, I can fill you in on some things too if you like the idea. Because I have peeps involved :D SO YAY I WILL HAVE CHARLIE DL-TIMES!

Also, what I actually came to say is that we tend to make all the players a DL maintainer just so they can add their own characters to the comm. Since there isn't any sort of application/approval process. You just add to the comm and then if you're a maintainer you can go to your email and accept the add.

I came to ask which journal you would like added as a maintainer or do you want to have us keep adding your characters instead?

Date: 2011-10-31 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyas-lair.livejournal.com

Oh wow responsibility XD This one will work fine. I use this one the most and it is my main journal so it checks it automatically.

ALSO: did you still want to do that Patrick/Clio AU-thing and/or have Lucy drunk call his brother, because he is the most SRS of Hell-Princes.

Date: 2011-10-31 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artemisofluna.livejournal.com

I would love to! I'm only half here mentally lately. Still sleepy times. But I think I could handle doing some replies!

Date: 2011-10-31 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyas-lair.livejournal.com
Awesomess, I shall set something up shortly.

Date: 2011-10-31 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sancta-terra.livejournal.com
RHAEGAR TARGARYEN WAS SUCH A DOUCHE I HAVE SUCH RAGE OVER HIM. but everyone romanticised him so much I'm all "poor bb viserys it sucked to be you."

Date: 2011-10-31 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shoemoney2night.livejournal.com
The TV series does actually get better! It does a good job of fleshing out some of the more marginal characters, I think, and for the most part it's captured the book extremely well.

But the rape stuff, just... I don't even. It was so bad, I'd actually blocked that part of the show out of my head. And then I remember and I get pissed off at them all over again.

It also irritates me that the one homosexual couple in the show is portrayed as a couple of effeminate schemers who think blood and chest hair are yucky. (I don't know whether that's reflective of their portrayal in the books, I've only read one and a bit; my friend who's read them all says not, though.)

...but so long as you just pretend those select pieces of horrible don't exist, the show's very enjoyable.

Date: 2011-10-31 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
That's Renly and Loras, right? I was reading and trying to remember what I had learned peripherally and I think those were the names? They've both shown up and they were talking about how Renly is always well dressed and loves clothes and I was all "oh GOD, he's the gay one, isn't he?"

Date: 2011-10-31 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sancta-terra.livejournal.com
I don't think the series had the OMG WTF of the books, but then said OMG WTF doesn't happen for a bit soooo.

enjoy it, damn you. finding it ironic that Tyrion is a favourite though!

Date: 2011-10-31 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
I'm going to regret liking Tyrion so much, aren't I? I think I'm going to be very unimpressed at some of the things he does later by the sounds of it. (I only have vague memories of people saying things that I didn't approve of, but I can't remember now what they were.)

Date: 2011-10-31 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sancta-terra.livejournal.com
it's difficult because you see everything through his eyes and he thinks he's misunderstood~ but he's pretty horrendous even at the start :( when you start seeing POV chapters of his siblings (I LOVE THEM) you start to notice the D:

Date: 2011-10-31 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
Oh my god, I love characters who think they're the good guys when they're really the bad guys <3 <3

When to Cersei and Jaime start getting chapters?

Date: 2011-10-31 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sancta-terra.livejournal.com
Yeees but saying you want to rape your sister and raping a woman because she looks at you funny is not even slightly fun to read. I found it ironic that it was rape that put you off the series when you like Tyrion :P

Not until book 3/4. SO WORTH IT. I love their minds.

Date: 2011-10-31 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
Dammit, Tyrion! I KNEW YOU WERE TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. I FEEL OUR RELATIONSHIP IS NOT GOING TO WORK OUT! Well, I like him SO FAR. He's snarky and knows how to worm out of trouble and he was nice to Jon. Wee angsty tyke that he is, and understandably so.

THAT'S FOREVER AWAY. Siiiigh, I would like their chapters now please.

Date: 2011-10-31 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sancta-terra.livejournal.com
I STILL THINK YOU SHOULD WATCH AGAIN after like episode 4 it gets right on track and it's so beautifullll SYRIO FOREL MY HEART

I just cannot deal with Tyrion after the clusterfuck of horrors that book 5 was. sometimes I re-read book 4 and pretend 5 was mostly a bad dream. 4 and 5 are split by character with 4 having Cersei, Sansa, Arianne, Sam and all the awesome ones basically and 5 has endless Dany shitting and Tyrion raping and just general ick. if it wasn't for MASSIVE SPOILER I'd have cried and pretended the whole thing didn't exist!

Date: 2011-10-31 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
I'll probably pick it up again after I've finished the book. Cause... Sean Bean.


Date: 2011-10-31 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] appearstobe.livejournal.com
He fools you because he is a) the author's favourite and b) thinks he's awesome. you just have to look at what he really does :/ I think it was when Jaime got POV chapters I was like "huh, this is the one I thought was the bad guy but actually I love HIM instead" :D

Date: 2011-10-31 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
Aaaaah, the author's favourite, it all becomes clear. I pout.


Date: 2011-10-31 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] appearstobe.livejournal.com
BUT THEN YOU'D MISS OUT ON THE BIGGEST HEARTBREAK EVER. there's this one character in book 5 his chapters have me sobbing. SOBBING I TELL YOU. and sometimes he breaks out a few passages that are quality writing as opposed to the usual standard of okay and it's always for the purpose of BREAKING YOUR HEART AND DESTROYING YOUR SOUL.

Date: 2011-10-31 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
Quality writing? :O WAIT, I NEED ANOTHER DOUBTFUL ICON. Yay! Nina provides!

I shall see if I make it there. This all requires more library trips and such, and that's hard work.

Date: 2011-10-31 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] appearstobe.livejournal.com
omhhh just go enjoy for the fun that it is :P

Date: 2011-10-31 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] appearstobe.livejournal.com

Date: 2011-10-31 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
Shit... wait... Clare, do you have an interest in this series or something?? Dude, you should go to some convention for it or something!

Date: 2011-10-31 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] appearstobe.livejournal.com
I TOTALLY DID AND IT WAS AWESOME excepttheotherfanswerelame :D

Date: 2011-10-31 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_honeyspider/
pfft, none can out fangirl you so you can't hold it too much against them that you're cooler/better/Clar-ier.

Date: 2011-10-31 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] appearstobe.livejournal.com
I got drunk and tried to engage people in conversation about awkward sex scenes :D it was great :D



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